interviewing people who didn’t know each other and making sure this wasn’t some kind of cover-up of
some other program.”
Grusch says he pressed to gain direct access to the program, and that’s when the trouble started. He
claims his investigation was stymied, and his requests for access were rebuffed.
“They shut the door in my face. They denied me access to these programs,” he said.
Soon after, he says he endured reprisals and retaliations from above. He reported that information to
the intelligence community inspector general and eventually filed a whistleblower complaint.
The experience, he says, is why he has decided to go public in a recent article in “The Debrief” written
by Leslie Kean.
Grusch says he is not being paid for any of the testimonials but rather is doing it out of a “sense of
service.”
“Call me a Boy Scout or whatever. It’s just when I saw the kind of wrongdoing I did … I don’t want to be
60 or 70 years old in the future and have that, you know, “could have, should have, would have” kind of
feeling where I could have made a difference,” he said. “I did not want to live a life of regret.”
And his conviction remains the same.
“We’re definitely not alone,” he said. “The data points quite empirically that we’re not alone.”
He says the United States has intact spacecraft in its possession.
And possibly bodies.
“Well, naturally, when you recover something that’s either landed or crashed … sometimes you
encounter dead pilots and, believe it or not, as fantastical as that sounds. It’s true,” Grusch said.
He told NewsNation that he has seen “some interesting photos,” and “read some very interesting
reports. However, he says that the specific documents and photos that would prove his claims are still
classified and he cannot disclose them here.
When asked about his credibility, and why his claims should be taken seriously, Grusch pointed to his
credentials.
“Well, we provided the proof internally to the inspector general and went into all the details,” he said. “I
mean, I have the credentials. I was an intelligence officer on the UAP Task Force.”
Allegations of aliens and their spacecraft are hard to accept, even coming from a respected insider; the
notion comes with obvious questions.
How could such nonhuman aircraft travel to Earth in the first place, and go undetected by the general
public?
Grusch says the craft may not be traveling through space as we understand it.
“It is a well-established fact, at least mathematically and based on empirical observation and analysis,
that there most likely are physical, additional spatial dimensions,” he said. “And you can imagine, four
and five-dimensional space where what we experience is linear time, ends up being a physical
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